D = Dolores \ P = Phil
D: I am trying to tie up some loose ends about the history of Atlantis. They said the people of Atlantis had evolved a great mental ability. That they could do many things with their minds that is impossible for the people of our day to do. Can you tell me the abilities the people of Atlantis had on the mental level?
P: There are those things in existence which were more apparent to those who you would call the Atlanteans. The people were more attuned to the breath of existence, and were able to perceive more. The talents of these individuals were more highly motivated by a desire to learn, as opposed to a desire to earn. Which is what you find in your society at this point in time, as you define it.
D: What could they do that we can’t do today?
P: There is nothing that was done then that could not be done today. However, the motivation is perhaps lacking in a majority of the people we see on your planet at this time. There are many who are trying to regain that lost knowledge.
D: But what powers did they have that we have lost?
P: The ability to metamorphosize has become unused and forgotten. That is, to change one’s existence from one particular being into another. It is simply a matter of reassembling one’s atomic structure to identify more closely with another already established and identified set of atomic harmonies. The ability to do this has much more to do with the acceptance of life models than what is commonly known today. The concept is that in the formation of a physical planet there are agreements between the energies which constitute this planet, that such-and-such energies shall be such-and-such. And other energies shall be such-and-such else. There is an agreement that rocks will be rocks, and trees will be trees. This is in harmony with the needs and desires of the individual energies. There are however those who have the ability to change their accepted realities so they may then model themselves as another creature or reality. This is not a transgression of universal law, but merely an application of universal law. There is the ability to do this in many people on your planet today, who are afraid of this talent. They are somewhat aware of it, and conscious of the ability to do this. But are bound by many different types of fears and loyalties so they refuse to acknowledge the existence of such a talent. It was however common in those days of Atlantis.
[This was the first time I had heard of such a concept outside of Hollywood’s version. I wanted to clarify it.]
D: Do you mean instead of the spirit entering the body of an animal, they actually change the existing body of the human into the form of an animal, and back again?
P: That is accurate. It would be simply a remodeling of the overall general harmony of a particular existence. Such that it then became another overall different type of existence. It is different vibrations. To change one’s vibration from that of a tree to that of a stone would simply be a matter of adjustment. There are those entities which can do this at will, for some purpose. However, it was found that during those days of Atlantis, before the breakup, that many were using this talent and ability to cause much destruction and harm. Not only to those around them, but to themselves. The higher order and harmony of this ability was discarded in favor of personal aggrandizement or gain. And therefore the talent was lost.
D: Why would someone want to do that? It sounds more or less like a game.
P: There are no games in life that do not teach. However, there are those “games” that can be used in a manner that is not healthy and wholesome. It would be then seen that those games which were being played and were causing death and destruction, were then not games but were becoming liabilities to the consequences of the individuals involved.
D: But how could metamorphosing, switching from different forms, cause death and destruction?
P: The act of deceit and treachery was not unknown in those times. And therefore you can see that the mischief rained upon a civilization by the individuals who could change into another person, and imitate that person, could be very apparent; even in your lifetime if you could represent yourself as someone else and cause mischief in the guise of that individual. When one takes that to a level of cross-personalization between one species to the next, then there are many who would become confused as to which is their true identity. And they therefore would become lost as to what and who they truly are.
D: So you mean they were using this for the wrong purposes.
P: That is accurate. The purposes for which these talents were given were being discarded at an alarming rate. And so it was seen that this ability would necessarily have to be removed, in order to prevent the wholesale destruction of the civilization at large.
D: Does this go along with the legends of half-human and half-animal?
P: That is accurate. Minotaurs, for example. There were those who would change into that which had become one, and yet retained aspects of that which is another. And then became confused as to which of the two they were, and so retained a portion of both. This ability then degenerated into a confusion of the identities of both realities or existences, such that there was the danger that there would be a general loss of identity of all species. Therefore it was seen that this identity crossing would not be allowed.
D: I’ve also heard they might have been doing this to other people without their permission.
P: In order for this to be accomplished, it was necessary for the awareness of the individual to know, not only that from whence he came, but of that to which he was going. Therefore there would necessarily have to be the conscious awareness of this process, in order for it to be enabled. We see that there were instances in which there were given instructions on how to change this individual into that figure. And then were given further instructions on how to change that individual into another, such that the original identity was then lost. It was seen that this was one way to remove one from the picture, so to say, to change one into something that was less threatening or neutral.
D: But this actually would be going against moral laws, and also the laws of the universe.
P: The technique was in line with the laws, obviously. It would not be possible to do this, were it not already an established law. The fact that this was possible suggests that it was already established as a law. The moral implications of such actions were however in direct conflict with the charter given to this planet at the time of life bestowment, such that the advancement of the race would be enhanced, and not hindered. It was seen that this cross-mutation was hindering the progress, and therefore it was taken away.
D: Was there anything else they had the ability to do with their mind, that we have lost or not developed at this time?
P: There were many, many different talents, as you would call them. However, they are simply recognitions of universal truths. In time there will be given again the awareness and the ability to recognize and to use – for lack of a better term – these realities.
D: This was one of things I heard, that they began to abuse their abilities and the laws of the universe. That was one of the reasons why they had to stop.
P: That is accurate.
(This portion came from another session, and I am not sure if it is speaking of the same thing or not.)
D: One time when we were talking, they said that in the very beginning when spirits first began coming to Earth to inhabit bodies, they entered the bodies of animals. And I believe you told me it was no longer allowed to do this. Did something happen? Why was it no longer allowed?
P: There was given the opportunity to experiment with, what you might call, a transmigrational experience. Or perhaps more simply, the implanting of consciousness and awareness in animal bodies, so that an animal then would perceive and have the consciousness of, what you call, human awareness with it.
D: Do you mean the animals were more aware than they are at the present time?
P: We mean only that the animal bodies had at that time the awareness and consciousness of the animal bodies you call “human”. It is not that the animals themselves were changed, speaking from a strictly physical point of reference. However, the awareness, the consciousness, which is distinct between animal and human, was given at that time to the animals. It was simply an allowance of awareness to integrate into an animal body.
D: Did this make the animal behave differently?
P: From a strictly spiritual sense, the awareness was not so much changed, but was allowed to experience the inhabitation of an animal body or a different life form. It would be as if your consciousness was allowed to enter into that of an animal. You yourself, your awareness, would not so much be changed. You would still retain your identity. However, the expression of your physical would be different. You would then be aware in an animal body.
D: You would be limited by what the animal could do.
P: Through the physical limitations of the animal vehicle, that is correct.
D: I’ve asked questions about the life force that inhabits the animals today, and I was told it is different.
P: That is accurate. It is not as aware or perceiving, or on the same level as that intelligence which you yourself inhabit. It is in itself an animal or life force, however, it is not of the same energy as that consciousness which you carry.
D: Then in those early days it was different?
P: It was not so different from the intelligence inhabiting your animal body. It is simply that the intelligence was given to more than one physical type of body, in that time.
D: Then this was just a form of experimentation?
P: That is accurate. There is always, in the realm of experience, the need for that which is new, and that which has not been done previously. Therefore, it was allowed. Those who were ministering the planet at that time allowed these transmigrations, to enable those intelligences to experience life in a physical environment through many different types of physical expression. It was seen that this could enhance the ability to express oneself in physical or on a physical level. The added abilities of expression would enhance the capabilities of the intelligences to – we find this difficult to translate, for there is no concept given on this level. However, the intent of the expression was to learn.
D: Then this was going on when the spirits first came to Earth?
P: That is not accurate, for it was well after the original seeding of the planet. However, it was in an advanced state of habitation of the planet, in the Atlantean experience, in which there was a high degree of awareness of the life forces.
D: I was thinking maybe there weren’t any humans at the time this was done, there were only animals.
P: That is not accurate. For there would not be given the ability to transmigrate in this way, had there not been the human development previous to this. That is, the experience of human incarnation.
D: Then at that time, you said the Atlanteans were more aware?
P: That is accurate. They were extremely aware of the life force, and the implications of life forces in animal or physical bodies. It was as if this was a science which was taken to a high degree. And so they were allowed to experiment with more vehicles, to understand better this phenomenon of the intelligence or awareness inhabiting an animal body. It is simply an allowance that this happened. It was however abused and misused, to the extent that the animal expressions were muddying the waters of genetic pools. It was creating disturbances in the harmony of physical expression. Had this experiment been kept to its highest moral code, it would have allowed for many of the highest expressions of intelligence in many different forms of animal life. However the introduction of disharmony into this experiment condemned it to failure.
D: One point I am trying to understand. Did they die first and then enter the animal body, or were they doing this while they were also in the human body?
P: It could be done simultaneously. For it was shown that the awareness could be migrated from one vehicle to another. It would be as if one were to meditate, and remove oneself from one’s body. And then place oneself into the physical body of another animal.
D: I thought if they were doing this as an experiment, they died and then came back as an animal, which is true transmigration.
P: There were those experiences in which those from the other side were assisting those who were yet in physical. And so it could be said there were those instances in which an incarnation was allowed to take place. However, not in the classical sense of rebirth, such as you have here on your planet now.
D: Then the Atlanteans were so developed mentally and intellectually, they did these things as an experiment.
P: It would be more accurate to say they were far more aware, not so much intellectually, as simply open-minded. For there seems to be quite a distinction here. There are those who could perhaps be of not the highest intellect, and yet be very aware. And there could be those who could be of genius level, and yet be closed off to all but that which is of the five senses. There is no distinction here between which is better or highest in achievement.
D: I thought maybe they were highly developed.
P: The one need not be attendant with the other.
D: I’m trying to understand this correctly, so I may say some things that sound naive. But it seems as though they were playing a game?
P: That is not accurate. For there was no frivolity involved in this. It was indeed a serious effort on the part of discovery. Or to more accurately portray it, serious research into the consequences of intelligences inhabiting animal form, or physical form.
D: But they were able to, more or less, project their awareness into the animal. Then they could come back to their own bodies when they wanted to.
P: In those instances that is accurate. In perhaps more instances it was a migration of the intelligence from one form to the other.
D: This was a complete migration?
P: That is accurate in some respects. However, there are subtle differences which cannot be totally given at this time. We perceive there is a lack of complete understanding in the physical consequences of simultaneous awareness, on this level at this time. However, there were those instances in which one would choose to leave one’s previous physical body, in order to inhabit that which was of a lesser or different nature.
D: But in those cases they wouldn’t return to the original body.
P: That is accurate.
D: Wouldn’t the original body die?
P: It could perhaps be inhabited by another or different intelligence. It would be as if they were swapping places.
D: But it wouldn’t be the animal intelligence entering the human. Trading in that way.
P: Not so, for there was not the intelligence in the animal to begin with. There is not what you would call an animal intelligence. The intelligence was of a spirit nature, which was simply trying on new forms of physical expression.
[Apparently this had to be willed or desired by the intelligence, and the animal would not be advanced enough to have the will or desire to trade places. Also, as I discovered in Between Death and Life the animal spirit is different from the human spirit, because it is more of a group spirit similar to colonies of ants or hives of bees.]
D: You said this created disharmony?
P: That is accurate, for there was the integration of those different forms of life within common groupings. And so there were mutations. It was such that the true forms or … we find this concept hard to translate here, for again there is not an accurate understanding of the realities of life forms inhabiting physical bodies, at this time. Therefore, we must use that which is known at this time: the building blocks available to us, in order to portray as closely as possible that which we perceive as the ultimate reality. In other words, we would use your knowledge available to you at this time. However, we feel you can see that the picture portrayed would not be as accurate as we would wish. And so we must sacrifice somewhat in the translation, in order to convey that which is closest to what we perceive as truth. We would ask that you also understand that we could not allow this to be translated if it were to be portrayed in what we would term a false or misleading manner. Therefore there are some areas of which we cannot speak, simply because of the fact that there is nothing with which to convey on a conceptual basis. For any attempt at conveying this conceptual basis would, because of the nature of that which is available for conveying, be translated giving a quite inaccurate and misleading picture.
D: Just do the best you can. I appreciate anything you can give me along that line.
P: We then would ask that you simply state what you wish to know.
D: Well, you said they were able to mutate the bodies …?
P: The bodies mutated, not that they mutated. The distinction being between the physical and spiritual aspects here. In other words, the bodies then would express or reflect that which is or was of the spirit nature. For it is known that the physical is merely a reflection of the spiritual. And therefore, in cross-mixing these spiritual energies there was the mutation or cross-reflection of the physical to the spiritual.
D: I was thinking that after they inhabited they may have interbred with other animals, and this was what you meant by mutation.
P: That is accurate. However, it is important to understand that the cohabitation itself is and of itself not the sole determining factor in these mutations. Were one to experience and to assimilate the life form of one type of animal, and then migrate into that vehicle which is of another animal form, in so crossing the distinctive boundaries of physical aspects there would be a carrying over of the properties or assimilations of one form into the next. And it is here that these mutations arose.
D: I have heard that animals normally cannot interbreed with another species. And I thought that was what you meant by mutations.
P: We mean here to convey the idea that the physical expression again is merely a reflection of that which is in the spiritual sense. Therefore, were half of one reflection commingled with a half of another expression, you could see that the result would be a mutation.
D: Then by doing this, were they able to somehow influence the genetic ….
P: (Interrupted.) That is accurate, for the genetic is wholly influenced through the spiritual. It could be explained thusly, that the expression of human is a spiritual expression in nature. And the physical form which forms around this expression is simply a reflection of that which is spiritually human. And therefore, it follows that this human form is found in many different parts of the universe, simply because of the fact that this is a similar expression. The human form is expressed in human form, be it here on this planet or any other planet. There are other expressions. Those expressions which are not human, but which are aware, were they to express on this planet, would express in a quite unfamiliar and possibly terrifying way. It is simply that the human form is one form of physical expression that is an expression in the physical of the spiritual.
D: This has brought up two lines of questioning. We might be able to cover both of them. Would this explain some of the legends of strange beings, half-human half animal?
P: That is accurate. There was indeed this cross-expression. The muddying of the waters.
D: That’s what you meant by the disharmony?
P: That is accurate.
D: Then these were true physical creatures.
P: That is accurate. They were castoffs in their own society. For there were those who considered themselves pure and looked down on these creatures that they termed of “less pure” expression. There then became somewhat of a caste society, such as you have in India today. There are those who are considered to be of a higher nature, and those considered of a lesser nature.
D: Then when these forms appeared, like half-man half-horse and different ones of this nature, were they able to reproduce of their own kind?
P: Not so, for theirs was not a genetic blueprint. They were merely expressions of that which was of the spiritual nature, and not in and of themselves a race of beings, such as you have now. There are those races of beings, be they human or animal.
D: Then they were one of a kind.
P: That is accurate.
D: There seem to be so many stories about different types.
P: That is accurate. For there were more than singular events of this cross-migration. There were multiple events. However, they were not in and of themselves what you would term “a race” of creatures. To explain this further, we need to perhaps give you a short discourse on this awareness of spiritual integration. In the physical or human expression, there are those energies which in and of themselves are human in nature. We speak here strictly in a spiritual sense, disregarding any type of physical component. These are human energies. In physical expression these human energies appear in physical as you know them, in human form. The reality here is that the physical is simply an expression of that which is spiritual. The human form, physically speaking, is merely an expression of that energy which is human in nature. The life force which is peculiarly or particularly human in nature translates down to the physical level in human form. There are those energies, such as that which you would call “grass” energy. A blade of grass is simply a physical manifestation of that energy which is of the blade of grass nature. So you see there are many forms of energy. And these different forms of energy translate differently into the physical level. The universe is made of energy. The physical universe is simply an expression or a translation of these higher energies. So you see, the reality of the universe is based on spiritual energy. The physical universe is nothing more than an expression or a translation of that which is spiritual in nature. Therefore, when one takes a spiritual energy and translates it down into a physical expression, you have what is perceived as a physical form, which is simply reflecting or translating that spiritual energy of which it is a contingent. So when you look around and see these physical forms, you are in fact seeing nothing more than reflections or translations. These are reflections or translations based on, or derived from, those energies of which they are a component or reflection of. So that in transmigration, one finds a mixing of these energies. The energy that is peculiarly or particularly horse energy mingling with or mixing with that energy which in expression is human. And so in this mingling or mixing of energies, the expression then naturally becomes part horse and part human.
D: Then in that way – you’re using the centaur as an example – they would usually look alike. This is why we have this legend of the half-man and half-horse?
P: That is accurate. However, the proportions of mix were not consistent. There was the general agreement that this was half-horse or perhaps half-human. However, there was no law or dictate that demanded that the human part extend from where the neck of the horse perhaps would be. The expressions were not identical in all cases, however they were similar.
D: Then the legends just gave a generalization.
P: That is accurate.
D: Then the stories of mermaids and the harpies: half-bird and half-female, all came from these actual happenings.
P: That is accurate.
D: Then at that time these creatures did roam the Earth, but as you said, they were looked down upon.
P: We would not say they roamed the Earth. For they were not spread throughout the entire population of the planet. They were in fact localized or segregated into those areas in which the experimentation was taking place. In those areas where the culture had reached that high state of awareness, so that these experiments could manifest.
D: This is why these legends are, more or less, in certain cultures today.
P: That is accurate. The experience was known to many throughout the evolution of the planet. However, the actual physical manifestations were somewhat localized to the Atlantean incarnation.
D: What about the stories of magic, where an individual, a wizard of some kind, could turn people into animals?
P: Perhaps this would be more accurately regulated to the areas of fantasy and desire. The wish to have more control over one’s life. For in that time period in which magic was quite prevalent in the human awareness, there was the desire to have more control over the physical environment. And so these stories lent credence to the possibility that people did indeed have more control over their environment. It was simply a manifestation of a psychological need to express one’s majesty over the elements. And so, in telling and believing these stories, it was vicariously lived by these persons. They then could imagine they had some of this magic power, and could then be more in control of their physical environment. It is not so different in this day and age to see the use of science in taming that which is of the physical environment. It is again this same type of need to be in control over those elements.
D: Then in these cases in Atlantis, these were people who wanted to experience this other type of reality.
P: That is accurate.
D: Then you said it was forbidden after that?
P: It was seen that this was causing more disharmony than realizing any benefit. Therefore it was decreed by those energies and levels of energy far above those which were on the experimental levels, that for the good of the race, and for the good of those individuals, that this not be allowed.
D: Then this was causing disharmony to the spirit, the energy, that was inhabiting? It was somehow distorting their personality or their own spirit.
P: That is accurate. And it was then given that – we search here for the accurate translation – as the mutations returned to the spiritual, there was not allowed any further manifestations such as this. This was simply not an appropriate allowance at that time period, and so this disallowal has stood to this day. That disallowal may, however, at some point be removed. However, considering the state of affairs on this planet at this time, it would seem unlikely this would be any time in the near future.
D: But the memory survived after the destruction of Atlantis, and that is why we have these legends?
P: That is accurate. It was in written accounts, which were passed down to the succeeding generations. And so changed over the centuries that it soon became legend.
D: Did that disharmony create more karma for the spirit?
P: Perhaps in the sense that karma could be interpreted as disharmony, or perhaps disharmony could be interpreted as karma. There was the need to work off this disharmony, and so straighten out one’s energies. In this sense then it could be seen as karma. For we feel that in your context, karma then represents a disharmony or a misalignment of energies, which through experience must be realigned. We feel the karma concept, as it is understood, is not accurate in this portrayal, for it is not a vengeance type of factor. We feel that the understanding which is prevalent of karma at this time is one of punitive or punishment type of effect, and we feel this is indeed a totally wrong perception. It is simply that in generating what one would call “bad” karma, one is simply dealing with energies that have become out-of-tune or misaligned. And so we feel it would be more accurate to say that when one is straightening out one’s karma, one is in fact realigning one’s energies.
D: Was the misuse of this type of ability part of what led to the downfall of Atlantis?
P: It would be more accurate to say that this was a reflection of those conditions which led to the downfall. Not that this was in and of itself the direct cause of the downfall. However, those conditions which were in place and which caused the downfall of this culture, had as an element or a manifestation, this type of condition, or this experience.
D: There was one more question I wanted to ask, before I forgot it. This life force apparently was able to genetically change the appearance of the animal, by the manipulation of the genes or however it was accomplished. Does that also mean that we have control over our own bodily cellular structure?
P: That is accurate. You should understand that this control is not to a great degree on a conscious level. The physical expression is an accurate representation of the energy of which you are. And therefore you cannot in and of your free will change your reflection. You may change your energy, which then would cause a related change in your reflection. You however cannot change your reflection in the mirror. You may change your appearance, that is, your body, and your reflection then will change in like manner. However, you cannot change merely the reflection and not change that which causes the reflection. It is important to understand that the physical is merely a reflection. In order to change the reflection, you must change that which causes the reflection.
D: You mean we can’t physically change our appearance.
P: If it were to be allowed that you could again, as was previously to commingle these energies, then it would be possible. For example, to commingle the energy of a blade of grass with a human energy – were this allowed – the effect could possibly be a human who had blades of grass instead of hair.
D: (Chuckle) I can see where all of these stories come from. That they imagine these things are possible.
P: They are entirely possible. However, to be allowed is quite something different.
D: If we had genetic control we could change our appearance to look like a different type of human being.
P: It is important here to understand it would be of little value to change the reflection merely for the sake of changing the reflection. The worth of such an experiment would be in joining the energies which caused the reflection. You must see that the true value would be of a higher level, than in simply making interesting reflections.
[I found that over the long existence of Atlantis the people developed their minds to a much higher degree. This accompanied with scientific curiosity to discover what was possible took the intermingling of species even further. These scientifically advanced people seemed to be trying to decipher the secrets of creation itself, which sounds ominously similar to our present day. Maybe the twisted experiments were caused by boredom when they reached the pinnacle of discovering what the mind could do. Then instead of using it for creative and beneficial purposes they misused these powers in non-beneficial ways.]
Excerpt from The Convoluted Universe, Vol. I
See Part II here.
See Part IV here.